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By Chris Earle<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Chris Earle<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Chris is a PhD candidate in Composition and Rhetoric at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.\u00a0 His research interests are in intercultural rhetoric and the political and ethical dimensions of rhetoric and writing. \u00a0He was a tutor in the UW-Madison Writing Center during the 2011-12 and 2012-13 academic years.<\/i><\/p>\n

Veronica, a dissertator from the Spanish Department, and I worked in the UW-Madison Writing Center weekly during the Spring 2013 semester on her dissertation proposal and related writing.\u00a0 One of the things that\u00a0was so interesting about our work together was that she wrote her drafts in English but she\u2019d ultimately translate them into Spanish for her advisor. I often found myself wondering how much of the work we did carried over to the Spanish product, or if much of it was lost in translation.\u00a0 Recently, I met up with Veronica to find out more about her writing process and we had a conversation about writing between and across languages and about how every writer needs a reader.<\/p>\n

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Chris:<\/strong> Will you tell me about your language background?<\/p>\n

Veronica:<\/strong> I was born and raised in Mexico. My first language is Spanish and I learned English in college\u2014my B.A. is in English.\u00a0 Even though I went to college in Mexico, for three years all my classes, readings, and papers were in English.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s one part. The other part is that I was learning French at the same time. So I spent the same amount of hours learning French and English.\u00a0 By my fifth year\u2014because it takes five years to earn your degree in Mexico\u2014I would say that I was equally fluent in both languages.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t like English as much, so all my work was in French.\u00a0 I actually thought I was more fluent in French.\u00a0 That\u2019s not the case anymore\u2014my French is not comparable to my English.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you come to the U.S. for graduate school?<\/p>\n

\"Veronica\"
Veronica Rodriguez<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

V:\u00a0<\/strong> Yes. I came to improve my English\u2014that was my goal: to immerse myself in the language, to understand how certain things work, because I honestly see language as something related to the culture\u2014to the way people think, the way people behave.\u00a0 This also affects my writing and my translations because I am always thinking \u201cwhat is the right word I am supposed to use in this context.\u201d\u00a0 So, I knew I had to come here and experience how people were using the language, and when they were using it.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> You are currently a PhD student, a dissertator in the Spanish department. And your research actually requires you to work in three different languages?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> Yes. I look at texts in three different languages: English, N\u00e1huatl, and Spanish because most of the research and writing that is being done (in the U.S.) is in English and some of it is done in Spanish, as is the case with many of my secondary texts.\u00a0 My primary texts are in the indigenous language, N\u00e1huatl.\u00a0 So, I was learning this language this summer and I am still trying to understand how it works and move those ideas into my Spanish reading of these texts.\u00a0 Before that, I need to work them into my English reading of those texts [laughter], so that I can come to the Writing Center.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> For those who may not know, N\u00e1huatl is indigenous to where?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> Mexico. It was the general language or the lingua franca in the sixteenth century.\u00a0 It was what the Mexicas, or the Aztecs, used when they were in charge of the region.\u00a0 And it was the language that the Spanish used and continued to use through the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries to communicate with the indigenous people.<\/p>\n

C:\u00a0<\/strong> So, the primary texts you research are in N\u00e1huatl, your scholarly work is in Spanish, and you write in English so that you can come to the Writing Center?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> Yes, yes.\u00a0 Actually, the process is first English and then Spanish.\u00a0 It\u2019s easier to organize my ideas in English\u2014I find it to be a more organized language.\u00a0 And when I started the process [of the dissertation] I wanted to come to the Writing Center.\u00a0 I always used the Writing Center for my classes when I had to submit papers in English, so I had previous experiences and I was like, \u201cOkay, I am going to do it.\u201d\u00a0 I knew I had to write in English to do so, so I just write in English first!\u00a0 It\u2019s easier.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> That\u2019s really interesting.\u00a0 Last semester you and I worked together in the Writing Center on an ongoing basis, focusing on your dissertation proposal.\u00a0 Can you talk about the experience of coming to the Writing Center, both in terms of what your goals were and what ended up being most useful?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> Okay. I was hoping to have kind of a schedule to follow, and to have someone to read my stuff, forcing me to have something written for the weekly appointment.\u00a0 What it gave me was a lot of structure.\u00a0 It helped me think in a way that I was better able to organize my ideas because I knew someone was going to read them.\u00a0 As we have talked about before, there was a point when I would say \u201cwhat is Chris going to say?\u201d He will say this transition doesn\u2019t work, so I need to use this one.\u00a0 Or, Chris is going to say these ideas don\u2019t connect.\u00a0 So, you know, I was thinking ahead about what you were going to say\u2014which sometimes worked, sometimes didn\u2019t.\u00a0 But it really helped me with the process of writing.\u00a0 A lot.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> So you would write in English, bring it to the Writing Center, and then ultimately translate it into Spanish for your advisor.\u00a0 What was the process like of translating your work from English to Spanish?<\/p>\n

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Photo by bellasitsonclouds.tumblr.com. (Creative Commons License)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

V:<\/strong> It\u2019s like a mental exercise.\u00a0 Because, when I was done in the Writing Center, I would have a pretty good English draft, and having something that looked \u201cfinished\u201d made me feel like all I had to do was translate it into Spanish.\u00a0 But the process was not that easy or simple; it still took me about two weeks to write 10-12 pages.\u00a0 It was an intensive process because the ideas can\u2019t be expressed in the same way in the two languages, and just my first paragraph\u2014one I really liked in English, one that sounded like a published article (it sounded really good)\u2014sounded really bad in Spanish.\u00a0 I wouldn\u2019t say I had to completely re-write everything, but I had to change the narrative of the project.\u00a0 By page four, I realized that in Spanish it was not saying what I needed it to say. So, I started \u201cre-writing,\u201d every single paragraph, reorganizing sentences, changing transitions; some ideas worked better in different places in Spanish. I felt that I had to get my readers interested in different ways.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> That raises an interesting question for me, and this is something I would think a lot about as we were working together: we spent most of the time working on the conceptual level\u2014clarifying ideas, your main argument, and so on.\u00a0 Of course, sometimes that required us to work on the sentence level\u2014asking questions like \u201cwhat do you mean here?\u201d and \u201chow do the various sentences and ideas connect?\u201d\u00a0 But, it sounds like you had to rework all of that as you translated into Spanish.\u00a0 So, was the work we did in English still useful, or, how well did that work translate into the Spanish?\u00a0 Did you have to go back to the drawing board?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> No, I didn\u2019t have to go back to the drawing board. The work we did still really helped because it still forced me to ask myself how I could express an idea\u2014in English and in Spanish.\u00a0 The ideas were always clear in my head, but as a reader, you would often have a different reaction, and so it forced me to always ask how I needed to express the idea for particular audiences.\u00a0 The idea is the same; I just have to phrase it in a different way.\u00a0 So, even while translating into Spanish there was the Chris voice, \u201chow do you get from point A to point B?\u201d<\/p>\n

C:\u00a0<\/strong> Well that\u2019s good news!\u00a0 Did other aspects of the work we did in the Writing Center or of your English writing in general not translate as well?\u00a0 Were there certain things that didn\u2019t show up in the Spanish?<\/p>\n

V:\u00a0<\/strong> There were a couple things. More at the fluency level.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> Do you mean flow of ideas and cohesion?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> Exactly. I had to move sentences around because it sounded better. Transitions were difficult.\u00a0 It was not as easy as I thought it would be. Really, when I read my English and my Spanish versions, they look like two different versions, but I know that the core is the same.\u00a0 I still had to go through like six drafts after my initial translation, and that is why [the two versions] are so different.\u00a0 In my mind, my English draft was almost complete, but there was still a lot of work that needed to be done in Spanish after the initial translation.<\/p>\n

C:\u00a0<\/strong> You ultimately submit your work to your advisor in Spanish, and that\u2019s how it will be in your dissertation and maybe in published work.\u00a0 With that in mind, do you have readers, other than your advisor, who read your work in Spanish and give you feedback?\u00a0 If not, would such a reader be useful and how so?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> Oh, no, I don\u2019t have any. \u00a0But I would benefit me a lot if I had a person, like someone in the Writing Center who knows the Spanish\u2014that would be great.\u00a0 At this point, for instance, I am almost done with my first chapter [of my dissertation], and since the writing process was in Spanish, I haven\u2019t had anyone to give me feedback on my Spanish version! Because I often start writing in English, an English inflection remains in my Spanish translations.\u00a0 I don\u2019t see this, but people who read my work in Spanish often do.\u00a0 These readers also tend to say I need to explain my ideas more thoroughly\u2014due to differences in the economy of English and Spanish.<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> It sounds like that when you translate from English to Spanish you\u2019re not only trying to convey the same ideas but that you have to consider various conventions of English and Spanish written language?<\/p>\n

V:<\/strong> Exactly. That\u2019s the thing I have to consider: who is going to be reading this in Spanish?\u00a0 Are they going to understand this short sentence the same way that Chris did in English?<\/p>\n

C:<\/strong> Okay, one more question!\u00a0 I\u2019d be really interested to hear about your decision to write in English even though you\u2019ll ultimately submit your work in Spanish.<\/p>\n

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UW-Madison Arboretum by Richard Hurd (Creative Commons License)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

V:<\/strong> The Writing Center.\u00a0 I had a great experience with it when I was writing for my classes, and I wouldn\u2019t have that opportunity if I were writing in Spanish.\u00a0 Yes, it\u2019s more work for me, but what I get out of the Writing Center is worth way more.\u00a0 It\u2019s also helping me with my linguistic abilities, my thinking processes.\u00a0 The Writing Center gave me a second voice\u2014when you are writing your first drafts, you always need\u2014or I personally need\u2014someone to read it, like a peer.\u00a0 Where get to at least come and explain to you what my project is.\u00a0 Having that support is priceless.<\/p>\n

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